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Nice to see things like NPD on here, which is where it belongs.
Non DID/OSDD plurality should really be on here ioo.
At least 3
NPD should not be here. It is one of the dark triad of PDs that are the inevitable downfall of our species as they are highly rewarded in capitalism. There is no redeeming quality to it.
Not saying everyone suffering from it is a monster though. Talking about tendency not individuals.
No. Absolutely not. You sound like a conspiracy theorist who like most conspiracy theorists has no idea what they are talking about.
Most people with the ‘dark triad’ are not rewarded, but downtrodden, destitute and in need of help.
We are sick of this kind of hiding hate behind barely contained nonsense and then saying that of course it is not the individuals that are the problem, we see exactly what you are doing and it is not going to fly here.
Please take your hateful likely unresearched opinions and actually talk to actual people with such neurodivergences and people in the therapy etc fields. A lot of them will tell you that they are working on their problems and therapists worth a damn will likely tell you that obviously people are going to come out of abuse and mistreatment with such things as it’s completely understandable reactions to abuse, some might even tell you the DSM should be burned because it leads to harmful shit like you just spouted.
People like that need love and understanding, not more hate, alienation and absolutely disgusting fearmongering of them.
People suffering(?) from the triad just need love…oh come on. Try telling that to one of countless victims of people with the triad (or part thereof). They might have some meaningful insight.
You might be one the rare occasions that actually sees a problem there and may also be seeking help. Congrats and my heartfelt apologies if that’d be the case. Seriously.
But whatever, you’re surely entitled to your own opinion. The triad is just a theory anyway. Like evolution. It’s just circumstantial evidence. If you dismiss that and maybe even the whole DCM/ICD, okay. One could surely argue about the degree of perfection in those.
Try telling that to one of countless victims of people with the triad (or part thereof). They might have some meaningful insight.
I’m one. If you want insight, it’s a very sad circumstance, and my lingering feelings for that person are pity and sorrow. You’re spouting hatred and trying to dress it up minimally to sound acceptable, but it’s not convincing
No, seriously, they are, it is the only thing that helps long term. I am not saying that people with ‘cluster b’ ‘personality disorders’ never harm anyone. However it is likely not moreso than anyone or anymany can harm others.
It is interesting you assumed that because we defended people with ‘cluster b’ traits or diagnoses that we have such things too. We don’t, we just have known many people with such and they haven’t been like you described, and we have actually looked into such things whilst avoiding all the unwarranted hatred that makes people unnecessarily hate on such people no matter what.
Scientific theories are not the same as lay person ‘theories’, scientific theories are called such because science does not seek to ‘prove’ anything but have increasingly more evidence for any such thing, therefore this is why it is a theory, not because it is not ‘proven’ yet but because that is how science does things.
Also, we actually looked into the ‘dark triad’ and it has nothing to do what you are talking about, it is: Sub clinical narcissism (so decidedly not ‘NPD’), Machiavellianism and Sub clinical psycopathy (So again nothing that is diagnosed professionally). It may be that you are falling victim to the jingle-jangle fallacies also.
We dismiss things like the DSM and ICD (though the ICD isn’t just to do with trauma, psychological diversity etc but diseases like covid etc) because we have seen that in a lot of things they do more harm than good in their diagnoses of people and it is better to deal with the underlying causes, thinking and feelings as many therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and theraputic practices do.
Regardless people with NPD, BPD and ASPD belong here are deserve help to get better, especially if they have harmed others because not helping them will not stop such, in my experience and understanding, understandable reactions to what they went through.
People need to stop being armchair psychologists and having instant hatred and though understandable in some cases, fear of them and deal with them on a case-by-case basis like we do with anybody. If they are being cruel then that is what is best to deal with, not assume they know everything about them because they might have read a book or disgnoses once. Instead get to know them as a person and help them, denigrating and exiling them from community does not help in most cases, if anything it makes them ‘worse’. If you don’t wish to be in community with them, that’s perfectly reasonable. However, always exiling them regardless of how they behave is not the best reaction as then they cannot be helped, they aren’t their dianoses but real people who need justice (restorative and transformative) and help.
We have seen much hatred towards ‘cluster b’ diagnosed people here, other places online and offline too and we have seen very few situations which made us think they deserved it, they aren’t incapable of change and a quick call out or call in and suggestion towards a particular action, love care and understanding is usually enough to help, not the constant hate and fearmongering they get which makes them understandably react in ways which are not helpful but anybody that understands what they might have been through will understand why they react like that.
We hope this helps you grow and react better to ‘cluster b’ diagnosed people and you do some research and actually talk to people with such diagnoses or experts in such things.
