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Note that both the answers are independent on whether the stalker is a man or not.
Yes, because “men” is such a stringent definition for a hedgemonic class. Half the population on earth, across different social statuses, nationalities, wealth, race, age, and so on. Honestly, claiming this is the “group in power” is absurd.
A completely poor analysis, what there is to reflect on?
Ironically that poster is an Israel supporter. By their own logic every Israeli should be victim of default “suspicion” and be treated like an IDF war criminal, since everyone has the “potential” to be one.
Actually, this argument would be even more compelling since Israel does have elections and you can emigrate/renounce to your citizenship, both not possible in case of manhood.
It’s bizarre that someone could come up with such a poor argument that ultimately boils down to: “people should be accountable for the actions of other people in the same demographic”, without realising there are tons of way you can divide people in demographics.
What places do you go? My pool is super chill, I have seen all kind of uplifting moments. Maybe certain gyms have a selection bias? I don’t know.
Precisely. It’s completely different from doing that in your group of friends, where confrontation is a way to establish common values, and in an internet cesspool where anyway I am going to be moderated out.
Just yesterday I was reading a great article about how social medias compare to TV when it comes to feeling part of a group. “Calling out” people in such places wouldn’t be anything else that virtue signaling (to yourself) to reaffirm your own identity (I stand up to sexism), and at the same time allow those people to reaffirm themselves (I get confronted because I am speaking truth).
Basically it would be at most a performance.
So you need a coordinated effort of thousands of people who will get continuously moderated, banned or censored. OK, I admit that it’s possible, but I think I’d rather invest my time in other ways…
because at least all men share the potential to act out problematic gender roles
Everyone (literally) has the potential to act out problematic gender roles, women included.
protect other men from female criticism because “they are different”
This sentence is legit incoherent. If a criticism doesn’t apply to someone, protecting against said criticism is quite literally preventing discrimination.
If men want to get rid of the collective suspicions
Or maybe we can criticize unfair collective suspicion in the same way summary judgments based on other categories are crticizised. I really can’t see how this argument does not lead to racism, sexism, etc. Being a man is not being part of a club, you don’t decide to join, you don’t subscribe to any value, you don’t have a steering committee that decides how “manhood” is by vote. Why tf anybody should be responsible to change a group that they are part of simply for biological reasons?
Several studies also describe the backfire effect, I.e., people getting more entrenched in their position when confronted with opposing arguments. I doubt I can ever succeed where a decade+ of education system failed.
Also why would I ever recognize a space like that and not run away. “Calling out” is still participation, and why would I want to participate (incl. from the legal perspective). I have the moral obligation to do that because…I am man? As if being a man was being part of a club.
While the podcast is great, maybe not great enough to learn a new language for it! Although Spanish is very close!
English only? Asking because the Barbero podcast (in Italian) is great. As a person who hated studying history in school I can spend hours listening this.
Marinetti has been on Mussolini’s side - like most futurists - for many years. While there were some divergences, and the relationship between futurism and fascism are very debated, the fact that a link between the two exists is undeniable indeed.
Not really. There are various way to interpret workers owning the means of production. Some of these interpretation consider the state as nothing more than an entity made of workers, and therefore the state owns stuff. Other currents consider workers in a given company owning that company, and the state remains separate (this is similar to a co-op economy).
There are more options, of course, depending on which groups own which means of production, and how the power is divided (I.e., district level, sector level etc.).
Worth adding that yesterday morning the national alert system was used to broadcast a message to every phone in Rome, with some informatin about the disruption.
FWIW, I use it all the time on a dock and have no problems. I used to have HDMI issues, but it turned out it was an old cable (issue=TV connection didn’t work at all). I also had to change controllers as apparently cable controllers drivers can’t work with read-only filesystem. 8bit controllers work without issues. Me and my wife are super happy with it over all.
That said, maybe my standard is pretty low, but I just turn on the thing, open a game and play.
and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity
To be clear, someone else did.
The fact that someone answered to “actually males are more likely to experience violence” with “eh, but go look who does that violence” prompted my comment.
And it almost sounds like somehow the focus switched from the victim to the cause, when the victims are men. This is the cause why I decided to comment. Almost like violence and protection of who experiences matters depending on who is experiencing it, as if there would be any difference from a woman or a man experiencing violence, whether it is from a man or a woman.
However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn’t the original convo
If this is your argument, it is a weak one, because I specifically commented in a child thread about this very topic, in response to a very dismissive comment (from my POV). There is no conversation that I am hijacking nor it was me who brought up violence on men on the first place.
However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not
Thankfully neither happened.
what “held to a higher standard” might actually mean?
What do you mean, what can actually mean? It means that women are held to a higher standard, which means that to achieve a given result, they need to perform at a higher level compared to people not held to the same standard (males). There is no standard that women are expected to meet to sign up to - say - computer engineering, exactly like there is no standard for males to sign up to -say- psychology. In both cases though there are social pressures that make sure that the people within the spectrum of “I have vague interest in this” will be pushed one side or another depending on their gender.
In the specific case, the frame of the discussion was the women studying subjects which are male dominated (I am generalising from the specific context of computer engineering). I don’t believe “higher standards” play a role here (in general), because otherwise we could not explain many data points.
What in your opinion means being held to a higher standard in this context? And if that’s the case, how do you explain the fact that women seem to make plenty of independent educational choices in many (most, in fact) other fields, and that they generally have a higher success than men? Is this standard only applied for male dominated fields? Does it mean that males are held to a higher standard in psychology, medicine, literature etc.? Because if that’s the case, then I find this concept of standard really redundant to what I consider social pressure to adhere to gender roles.
because that’s exactly what you are doing.
Contesting the general validity of one’s experience is not at all talking about that experience, let alone contesting it. So no, I am not doing it and I don’t have any interest in doing that.
Sure, but that’s not the perspective of someone who is experiencing violence.
Someone said “men are more likely to experience violence” and the fact that this violence is also coming from men doesn’t change much. There is no ‘men convention’ where it’s put up to votes the way men collectively will act - unfortunately.
unless you’re really just tellin a woman “this unrelated data doesn’t match your life experience”
I am saying that the very relevant data (ironically, gathered as part of the respect-stop violence project) indeed doesn’t match that lived experience. Which means that perhaps that experience cannot be generalized?
If someone claims that women are held to a higher standard, I think asking “how is it possible that on average, at all levels, they get higher grades and they are the majority of students?” is a fair question. The hypothesis that women are held to a higher standard in this context would imply the obvious conclusion that only the “best” would make it, which is in direct opposition with the data that women are a substantial majority of students everywhere.
On the other hand I perfectly acknowledged that gender stereotypes exist and these do explain both sides of the equation that I presented with “unrelated data”: they explain both having a mere 13% of females in IT faculties and having 8% of males in education faculties. The same exact dynamic applies to males and females, which both - due to peer pressure, and fixed gender roles - end up being discouraged to pursue certain careers.
If “women get discouraged their whole life” was a generally valid statement, then asking “why then they are the majority of medicine students, a faculty with the toughest admission exam, a scientific faculty and also a long and hard one - 11 years in total” is also a valid question in my opinion.
So yeah, despite what you might think, while I have no interest to debate or invalidate one’s experience, maybe this cannot be generalized if there are quite glaring issues with statistical data. Why would you consider data about gender distribution in the education sector in Italy irrelevant in the context of gender dynamics in education (in Italy, since that’s what my comment discussed), is a mystery to me. It’s even more of a mystery considering that that very same data was gathered specifically within the contest of a project about women equality.
Oh, I guess different school systems, so that didn’t even come to mind to me. At least in my country high school is from 15 to 19, I think lots of people thankfully mature and change after teenage years.