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Cake day: July 1st, 2023

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  • I appreciate the time and effort you spent on this, but it feels more like an argument against words than it does against concepts.

    Colloquially, if I say “a volcano erupted” I’m not being inaccurate, even if it was the magma chamber that erupted; and if I say “Mt. St. Helens erupted”, everyone knows what I’m talking about even if the original name isn’t properly preserved or respected.

    However, I find downvotes distressing so I’m abandoning this thread, and I shall not downvote you just because I disagree. I hope you have a lovely day. :)


  • Shared experiences with other people? Prove they exist.

    See, this is where you lose me. When you’re out and about in the world, interacting with people, interfacing with reality, it’s not up to those individuals to prove to you that they exist prior to, during, or after your interactions with them. You don’t doubt the existence of your lunch before you eat your lunch; it is an objective fact that your lunch exists, hopefully, and if not, you are objectively hungry. Your body will suffer measurable physiological effects from your hunger. If you starve and die, it’s a fact that you are now dead.

    Do you have evidence to back up the “brain in a jar” theory? Cuz we can talk about “could be’s” all day long, but what is measurable, consistent, and verifiable externally by everyone is what matters far more



  • But I do have 100% certainty that Mt. St. Helens exists. It is a feature of the “is-ness”, with a specific location that can be shared; and you too can visit it, climb to its peak (not recommended) and validate for yourself that it is an existing feature of reality.

    In practical terms, we experience predictable outcomes based on accepting certain things as being true.

    But Mt. St. Helens literally exists, regardless of whether or not you accept it to be true. You can accept that its name isn’t “true” since that’s more of a shared label that we all agree upon and it hasn’t named itself; but to not accept the truth of its existence has no bearing on your predictable outcomes once you arrive there and start to climb it


  • I am certain of the fact that Mt. St. Helens is a volcano that exists. I am certain of the fact that it erupted prior to my existence upon this planet, and while I have never laid my own eyes upon this volcano, though not for lack of experience I remain certain of its existence based on the shared experiences and existences of millions of others, and the data they have accrued.

    I get what you’re saying with the whole “objective” part of objective reality; but it’s not like you’re going to mount a defense against the existence of Mt. St. Helens, right?