Na you’re just incredibly dense and slow. The people of gaza died in September, you’re just catching up to this fact now and thinking you’re somehow insightful.

So in a month when they start digging the graves and you think you have some undeniable evidence that you were somehow correct in choosing genocidal asshole A over genocidal asshole B dont waste your breath you’ll be as moronic then as you are now.

Harris ran the most idiotic and fucking misguided campaign i have ever seen and now we’re all paying for it and you blindly keep supporting her run after she literally had the worst results in modern history.

Itd be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Now we’re entering the the terrorism stage of a collapsing democracy. Enjoy.

Oh no they’ll be dead. Just like they were under biden. If harris was willing to change it she would have committed to changing it.

Go read my edits ive expanded a few sections.

Yeah you guys lack both critical thinkig, 2nd order effects, and a moral compass and its caused everything to get worse. 👍 Remember you lost. Maybe you should revisit your analysis and try harder this time.

For example: thinking a base heavily populated with antiwar individuals will support a candidate advocating for a genocide. Jfc you’re idiots .

Its not propaganda to tell people what she supports. My entire argument is she and the Democrats are fucking idiots who can’t read the writing on the wall.

She needed to give reasons to support her and her entire campaign gave her base reasons to reject her.

• gaza
• unwilling to commit to keeping lisa khan.
• unwilling to reform health care.
• unwilling to address economic hardships for the middle class.
• willingness to gaslight americans over the presidents mental state. (Which calls into questionanything she says but thats just icing on the cake)

Jfc christ and you wonder why people didn’t show up for her.

Lol im aware. They were fucked either way. Bombs or food. Pick one. Just happens to be bombs are more expensive. And biden let Israel murder aid workers and block food and aid literally until a month before November election when he wrote a strongly worded letter. Ooh ahhh so moral, 😍 so principled.

So yes no material difference the only difference now is the hostages are all dead or returned so no point in keeping up the farce of troops ‘fighting to retrieve them’ which you know got most of them killed. There is now no need to waste bombs and troop efforts. So they stopped that and just rely on starving them to death.

Fun fact: gaza lacked clean food and water for almost a year now. Its old news and was allowed under Biden. Its not a material change.

And no she wouldn’t have lost a ton of support. The jewish community is 1) small, and 2) divided on the issue. Further more most of zionist are literally christians thinking isreali reclaiming the holy land is a precursor to the rapture and don’t vote democrat. So no she lost more support from the antiwar Democratic base than she gained. (Fun fact she gained nothing by being pro genocide what were her % repub voters again? Oh right less than the typical. Good job)

Finally harris lost in no small part by demonstrating she’d throw any minority group under the bus and exactly how out of touch she was on working class economics.

Both issues are why the blue wall crumbled. She lost 2 critical states over gaza and support tanked even in blue states. The remaining support in the mid western states tanked due to her absolutely clueless positions on the economic hardships faced by the working class. Biden’s Presidency did not make any real gains for the working class and rhey didnt have a single policy on their platform that would. Trying to say he was ‘good for the work class economically’ is an absolute farce; at best he was neutral.

So kindly fuck off with your genocidal apology nonsense and go fuck yourself i have no interest in engaging with your stupidity further.

I mean i do if they purchased it from a known fascist after he became a known fascist. That makes every cybertruck a valid target. Enablers beware.

Democrats introduce bill at a time they have zero hope of passing it and continue to ignore the working class. This and more pointless news at 11.

Fuckers really need to get a clue.

If you believe words on a piece of paper are going to protect you. you’re incredibly delusional.

In no material way has the gaza situation become worse. The only change is our president is no longer shaking his finger going ‘oh no, bad isreal please stop’ and is extending the prosecution to Palestinians in the US.

You sound like one of those people who stopped caring about the child cages soon as biden was the one doing it.

All harris had to do was say ‘i will ensure american laws are enforced with respect to weapons sales to isreal’ and her major campaign problem would have disappeared.

Wouldn’t have helped with all her other shitty positions but at least we would have had a candidate who didnt support genocide.

Its not astroturfing when your candidate is so bad most people in her base dont actually support her but are voting against trump. Not a recipe for success.

We’re getting exactly what we deserve atm for running genocidal candidates. Next time tell your candidate to get a fucking clue and not support a fucking genocide and maybe she’ll win. Though i doubt it since shes a gaslighting fuck who doesnt give a shit about the working class. Her and biden cant disappear fast enough from the political sphere as far as im concerned

Calling people nazis is just shorthand for fascist which allows people to understand the depths of the horrors these individuals will cause.

It in no way devalues the suffering of Holocaust victims, its a warning.

You dont fucking wait until they’re turning the gas valves to go ‘oh these people are fascists!’

Its also reasonable that people will be arguing outrageous, completely false, or immoral positions in that community. Your assertion that the people making the arguments should be given the benfit of the doubt in that environment is pretty flawed.

I’ll also just note i never said peer review wasnt worthwhile. Just said it isnt the arbitrator of good/bad research or ideas. They’re filtering mechanisms and pretty poor ones at that.

You can respectfully disagree all you want. But no ethics committee will save you from these things.

Fun fact we recreate the tuskeegee experiment literally every time we design a new medication. Its literally the control group in every research study we do. Now we have boundaries we obey but the premise still exists. I.e. medical studies have an obligation to switch away from the placebo if a medication is uncontrovertably working.

The tuskeegee experiment’s issue wasnt the that patients were not treated with a medication, it was that they were denied treatment without their informed consent.

Its also not applicable to this conversation since you know, this experiment was done in a public space, doing activities that are naturally occurring en mass in that space and in no way required you to interact with them.

Any prick with a computer can run this experiment and publish the results. There’s nothing ‘ethics’ committees can do to prevent it. Nor is it in any way causing additional harm if these things are happening regardless.

Its like walking into a tar pit and being upset that someone had a camera and video taped your inability to extract yourself.

Both of your examples of experiments are completely the opposite of my points. They took people and put them into a manufactured environment and ran the experiments. When you decided to use social media you’re agreeing to interact with an environment that has Astroturfing, disinformation, and lying assholes.

Adding examples of such behavior into the mix isnt creating any additional harm the environment isnt already inflicting on the users.

As i said earlier there are plenty of other issues with the study, but posting misinformation into a environment that posts misinformation in abundance isnt one of them and any ethics committee that tries to make the argument that it is is staffed by uninformed nut cases.

To extend my original example of using a table with dessert on it to your position: I shouldn’t be able to run my study because my desserts may make people fat.

Context matters in these discussions. And trotting out two of the best known and egrious examples of ethical misconduct which are completely unrelated to the situation demonstrates a lack of critical analysis on your part.

but didn’t tell them you changed a bunch of the contents to support fascist ideologies and then they became fascist, that would be an issue, right?

Not particularly problematic they’re words on a page. Why do you care if the studies are peer reviewed or where they are from? Those components of a study are just protective measures they don’t improve the quality of the content itself. Just because you changed the contents doesnt necessarily make such a study unethical.

The point of ethics committees is to prevent harmful and uninformed decisions like ‘this med is 100% safe’ when its completely untested. They’re not there to protect you from interacting with a study operating in a public space doing legal things.

And lying and fake accounts are completely normal and expected in this environment. There are plenty of reasons to do both things. Just tossing an llm into the mix doesnt make it inherently worse than if a individual was doing the work. Just makes it faster and more efficient.

If your opinion is so easily swayed by made up statistics and bullshit then wouldnt matter if a llm was involved or not. You’d get the fascist train eventually. This is why we spend so much effort trying to get people to have media literacy and how to check sources.

Hilariously its one reason fascists spend so much effort to dismantle trusted institutions to make it harder to find accurate information.

As for if you’re talking to a real person, who cares? ;) how do you know I’m a real person?

At some point you just need to accept information is information. Its source doesnt particularly matter, just its accuracy. I usually operate in a blast radius for how much it matters, the bigger the issue is if the information is inaccurate the more effort i spend validating it.

Lets use biden as an example: we had a bunch of sources reporting on his mental decline for years. But dismissed most of them because fox. But also turns out a bunch of twits like harris decided gaslighting the country about his mental fitness was okay.

Why did we believe harris over fox news about a 83yr old having mental issues? Its totally believable and even expected that he’d be slowing down. It was complete nonsense that would have easily been disproven with biden going on more interviews. Why didnt he? Well because fox was right and he had declined.

You can apply the same reasoning to why we had harris replace him. Trust me it wasnt about the campaign financing. Can you figure out why im saying that?

Informed consent is kind of like entrapment it only matters when your behavior was changed by the other person pressuring/threatening/misleads you.

Posting nonsense on a public forum via a bot is none of those things. If i drop nietzsche’s works in your lap and you read it and become a raging fascist well that’s on you and your lack of critical thinking/empathy.

Finally astroturfing is a well known and documented behavior. These people’s actions did nothing new in the environment.

There are plenty of issues with this study but informed consent isnt one of them.

For example you dont need informed consent to put a table of deserts in a hallway with a note saying ‘for members of the blarg club meeting only’ and then see how many people eat something from the table.

But you would if those desserts had some new synthetic chemical.

See the difference?

In our defense two candidates (and down stream ballots) from one of our political parties campaigns were completely tanked for supporting Israel. Sadly all the candidates supported this.

Lol. Sadly no we don’t do much better at rodent elimination these days. Our sanitation/cleanliness of our living spaces are the primary improvements that prevent things like the bubonic.

Hogg is the only one in that institution with a clue.

There was an attempt to try and paint not supporting israeli’s genocide as terrorist propaganda. its hilarious that israel tries so hard and is constantly shown to be lying while many of the stories from the palestian perspective turn out be validated by third party sources. Trying to claim that as propaganda is fucking hilarious. israel is mostly just upset it can’t control the narrative.

I never said I was done child; you’re prediction isnt some magical insight. just shows how utterly immature you are as a person. probably why you still think the democrats are worth more than the shit on my shoe.

werent you suppose to be done? lol. and na, you’re an ass. its okay. you’re on the internet.