I don’t have to dig back very far to find US atrocities actually. The Afgan war ended two years ago and was one of the counterpoints brought up to you.

But the idea that the United States is acutally better today than when they dropped the bombs is rich. At least we were nominally fighting fascism then.

ETA: OK so if by “nuclear terrorism” you mean… the mere act of having nukes and the implicit threat of using them. America has nukes too. Today. In 2023. Or is it only nuclear terrorism when bad country has nukes?

Jesus I really doubt someone with Fae in their name is cishet but you used that word really slurishly.

simping for a dictatorship

I’m not. Looking at the Ukraine War with the nuance and knowledge of geopolitics it deserves isn’t simping for Putin. I hate the Putin regime, especially what they do to their queer community. Its not like Ukraine is that much better on queer issues though?

My posting history goes back three years before federation. You’ll find very few of my posts were about the Ukraine war.

My favorite part is saying that Russia exports “Nuclear terrorism” when saying that Russia is worse than… the only country that has dropped a nuclear bomb.

You’re counting both sides but then blaming only Russia lol? Hard to take that seriously. Give us Ukrainian deaths, preferably only civilian deaths, and then we might have a conversation.

Russia’s primary exports are murder, lies, and nuclear terrorism.

That would be the United States actually. Especially the last thing since Russia has never nuked anyone and America has.

You made the extraordinary claim. Your job to provide proof.

Also I’m an American communist from New England. One of the posts on my profile is about weird shit in the American Pie movies. Another recent one you can actually see is about Skyrim. Clearly troll farm shit. (I’d point out the idea that the Kremlin would bother to astroturf lemmy is INSANE, but that ones been falling on deaf ears because you all are so self important).

the aggressor country is doing its own military recruitment.

Conscripting prisoners and shit is also abhorrent. We shouldn’t have to say it anytime we criticize what Ukraine is doing though. Especially since what Ukraine is doing is the subject of the fucking thread.

If only spez himself had gone.

You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That’s actually one of the most wild liberal claims I’ve ever seen, and thats saying something. You’ve lost attachment to reality.

My minority, lgbtqia+, suffers daily in Russia

I’m going to let someone more educated on the geopolitics involved handle the rest of this (hopefully someone will) but i really want to zero in on this because.

there are like, 2 cishet people on all of Hexbear. Its like the most queer space on the internet thats not explicitly only for queer people… It is AGRESSIVLY pro-trans, and purged the slightest hints of transphobia in its early days. The admin team is 100% queer i’m pretty sure.

We think the oppression of queer people in Russia is bad. Whatever support an individual Hexbear has for Russia, its not for Putin’s regime or the Russian government. It is, as you yourself say, opposition to NATO. Again, I’m not going to get into the why of that, but please don’t imply that we support the Russian government’s oppression of queer people.

As for Ukrainians calling all Russians orcs I cannot blame them after the horrors of Bucha, Olevnika, Mariupol, the endless targeting of infrastructure, all while the general Russian population not only doesn’t care but openly support it.

Rape of Nanking = Japanese internment is ok, got it. You have confirmed my suspicions, thank you.

But you would have cried foul over Poles cursing Germans in 1945 too pointing out innocent Germans did possibly exist, so I don’t care too much.

No I wouldnt have because i recognize the difference in materially different situations.

I am personally against Putin’s decision to invade, and DEFINITLY against any warcrimes commited. Though I will say, targeting infrastructure is part of war, not a warcrime. And Putin isn’t just some evil ork who decided to invade for no reason. There are material reasons why the invasion happened, even if I’m against the decision. And the reasons aren’t lebensraum.

A good part of the ethnic Russians fight on Ukrainian side.

The good part of the opressed ethnic minority in a country fights for their opressors. Please do the barest of research on the War in Donbass jesus christ.

And if it it racist to point out that Putins regime

You didn’t say Putin’s regime, you said Russians. Look who’s leaving shit out now?

And idk how to tell you this but scale matters.

I don’t know what I’m talking about but you’re definitely wrong about it.

Great way to start your comment, so far 0/10.

Can’t help but notice when someone DID come through with a counter argument you shut it down immediately.

The Krelmin and “CCP” do not actually have more power and leeway in the west than western corporations and this should be obvious to you.

Please I’m begging you to have even the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity and stop shutting off your mind with thought terminating cliches. Please.

Saving this one.

You say you understand why Ukrainians call ALL Russians orcs (not just the military invading them, or just the Russian government, ALL Russians). You say you understand why Ukraine would generalize the entire ethnicity of the country that’s invading them.

How is that different from what we did to Japanese Americans? (Also you might want to look into how the Russian ethnic minority has been treated in Ukraine)

Tell me one thing Hitlers regime did that Putins regime hasn’t done

The Holocaust.

Russians are almost just like (thankfully) dumb

Generalizing Russians and instead of Putin’s regime AND calling them stupid. Not racist at all.

I get the feeling you’re a decently well intentioned person, but there have definitely been liberal and racist comments coming from your comm. I don’t think its wrong to point that out, but sorry you got boxed in if thats not you.

To be fair though, I get the feeling this person is just naive and decently well intentioned. I get your frustration and lack of patience though. But

And no, libs are just like smug right wingers that don’t know they’re right wing, where centrists are just dumbasses who think they’re smarter then everyone while repeating reactionary bullshit

Is a pretty good thing to say lol.