Wish there was a good FOSS Acrobat/Blue beam alternative.

I use those tools for the majority of my work as an engineer.

interlock failures

Do you track interlock failures? Seems like the issues you describe aren’t with the interlocks themselves, but perhaps with installation or the breakers they interlock. Some inspectors don’t even pass them on new home construction or renovation because some interlocks are attached to the front panel of a home’s main panelboard, which could present a safety hazard to the homeowner.

All this is to say that these issues don’t substantiate any failures with backup batteries or generators directly, but instead with interconnection equipment.

To be safe though, people should use interlock kits designed by the same manufacturer as their panel to avoid any compatibility/warranty issues, and maybe install interlock kits directly on the breakers themselves.

An even safer measure would be to install transfer switches between the main panel and the utility/backup battery/generator inlet. You may cite this as needing professional installation, but in reality any electrical work done to a home should be conducted by professional and qualified personnel. There are indeed advantages of transfer switches, whether automatic, non-automatic, or manual, over interlock kits.

Unexpectedly energized lines are not something an average user understands

Expectedly energized lines are sometimes not something an average user understands either! Point being: have professionals do the work.

so many dead linemen

If we’re talking residential installations of interlocks or transfer switches alongside backup batteries or generators, I believe you should be referring to wiremen (in-building & often premises scope) not linemen (out-building & often utility scope).

Even so, where are you gathering your data about safety incidents that have a root cause with interlocks? Can you show me the OSHA statistics?

feeding back into the grid during an outage

Interlocks prevent this, as do transfer switches. The only case this would happen is if a homeowner removed their interlock, never had one installed, or plugged their battery/generator into a different circuit not controlled by the interlock/transfer switch. I would think that my previous comments about having profession, qualified personnel make changes to a home’s electrical system, even adding a generator, would solve most if not all of this.

Are you suggesting homeowners do unqualified, potentially life threatening work to their homes?

every municipality requires a generator interlock

That’s a wide claim. The US Census Bureau identified 38,736 local general governments (county, municipal, township) in their 2022 Census of Governments.

Can you say for sure that every one of those requires interlocks specifically?

May I remind you that AHJs can choose to adopt or amend any part of the NEC for their jurisdiction, and may refuse to accept interlock kits as compliant installation.

installed at the box

Which box? There are many boxes in an electric installation. Can I just choose any box? Can it be my TV set box, or my junction box downstream my sub panel, or my main service disconnect box?

prevent this danger

The main failure with interconnecting generators with the grid is desynchronization. This can be fixed with relays, but you won’t find these in residential installations. Again, the way to prevent this is with proper use of interlock kits or transfer switches installed and used according to qualified professionals.

not restricted by things like space constraints

Where is this hallucination coming from?

Most people installing home backup batteries either have garages where they can put them, or space around their homes to do the same.

Are you implying that all people stuff and cram their living spaces and properties so that there is no excess room for batteries that maybe take up 4’x10’ at most? The same goes for generators.

or residential safety concerns

Residential dwellings are built according to the National Electrical Code, which many municipalities adopt or amend.

What safety concerns are there in residential applications that there aren’t in municipal applications that the NEC doesn’t address? Should you maybe refer these concerns to the NFPA themselves rather than alluding to them online? Do you not want people to be safe?

impractical (or feasibly impossible) to be implemented on a residential scale

What are you talking about?

Here’s four examples:

• Tesla
• EcoFlow
• Anker
• Bluetti

handicap residential units

Not if your Battery Management System (BMS) has active balancing instead of passive.

active cooling on small packs is a huge drain for little return

Active air cooling is currently the most economical cooling method for battery storage.

can even use geothermal cooling

Can you point out one resi, C&I, or utility scale BESS installation that uses geothermal cooling? Most use forced air or liquid cooling thermal management systems.

alternative techniques

Like what

municipal standby generators are more efficient than large numbers of residential standby generators!

Ok, irrelevant given that we’re talking about improving home resilience through the use of home microgrids - not municipal or utility backup systems.

which just isn’t fair

And it isn’t fair that you aren’t recognizing progress, instead fear mongering about how nothing is being done and we’re all doomed.

do the same thing

Except I wasn’t hyperbolizing. I presented scientific research, not some back hand imagination from someone clearly not part of either the industry or research fields.

the future will improve things

No, the future itself won’t improve things. Humans in the present, doing research, making policy, sharing their success stories about their own home backup microgrid solutions with their friends, family, and neighbors will do this.

very biased to assume that things will improve as time goes on

Your pessimistic worldview is the antithesis to progress. You have to have the belief that things will get better, to have hope, if you want to make an inch of progress in that direction, or to push back on proponents that wish to destroy that progress.

Things are improving by the way, but I think the global economic order under capitalism is to blame for why things are still worsening overall. If we want to improve human well-being, rewild the planet, reduce pollution, reverse climate change, and allow increase our population, maybe we should consider other economic organizations.

municipal installs are better than home installs

Why do you say that? Are you implying the same electricians that do residential and municipal installs are lazier with the former? Sounds like this could be grounds for litigation. Do you have any complaints that you could make with your state’s or municipality’s licensing boards where they could launch investigations and revoke electricians’/contractors’ licenses?

not that batteries as power storage solutions are inherently bad

Glad that we’ve settled that.

Just that the technology for home use, right now, is.

I’ve shown above that batteries are fine, and that issues may come down to installer error or faulty interconnection equipment, not the batteries themselves. Although I still recognize that batteries can fail. I don’t think we have good enough evidence to say what the primary failures and failure rates are. Maybe you can start tracking that!

miscommunication

If you call fallacies and misconceptions miscommunication, then that’s not my problem.

slightly less aggressive conversation

No :)

Wind turbines like solar and BESSs are inverter-based resources (IBRs), so any of them can curtail quickly.

I’m glad you responded to them point by point. So many myths, fictions, and bigoted beliefs wrapped up as valid opinion.

Solar/wind + storage is the way forward, as the latest IPCC report showed.

is a vastly inferior solution

How so?

local grid scale solutions

Which ones?

there is essentially 0 infrastructure designed to handle said batteries

If we’re talking residential scale, people already have the infrastructure: it’s the existing wiring inside their household. If we’re talking Commercial & Industrial (C&I) scale, it’s often the same answer. If we’re talking utility scale, oftentimes battery developers get quoted grid improvement costs from the utility and the developer has to pay those costs in order to connect to the grid. You act like the grid can’t change, and there isn’t any money lying around to make improvements, when in reality there are a lot of investors in BESS because of the high ROI.

they wear out quite quickly at home scales

This is true at any scale, resi, C&I, or utility, but batteries are modular and you can augment your capacity over time to make up for degradation.

Elon popularized them with his “powerwall” bullshit entirely to pump the stock value of Tesla’s battery plant

There are more manufacturers than just Tesla in the battery space, many of which who would benefit if the Powerwall failed or lost market share. Even if Tesla popularized them, their decline due to their idiotic, fascist CEO will mean that the existing demand will just look elsewhere for the same product, not exit the market entirely.

Batteries in the walls are useful in niches

In my opinion, every household could benefit from home battery storage just as much as people benefit from gas generators. They have widespread, not niche, appeal. The issue with low penetration in my opinion is lack of knowledge in both policymakers and customers.

the current technology which uses lipo/lion/lifepo4 chemistries is inherently flawed

While batteries do start to degrade the moment they leave the factory, the fact they have flaws doesn’t mean they aren’t still useful. You’re using the argument that the perfect is the only solution to the imperfect, when that shortsightedness gets in the way of progress.

route to both dead linemen

BESS failures have been falling and bottoming out over the last few years while deployment has skyrocketed. Seems like you’re telling a fiction.

massive amounts of E-waste

Recycling is projected to increase, especially as more and more battery installations reach End of Life (EOL), where as much as 60-80% of cobalt and lithium could be sourced from urban as opposed to virgin mines in the next 5-15 years. There is a sizable market opportunity for recycling to take off so long as good policy paves the way.

as it stands, it’s really bad right now.

Sure, let’s throw away one of humanity’s better solutions to the climate crisis since it’s bad now. It’s not like it could get better in the future. Again, such a show of shortsightedness.

It’s not like we can add some kind of magic automatic residential cutoff system

Of course we can. They’re called Microgrid Interconnection Devices (MIDs).

that would just make it worse

Microgrids that can disconnect from the utility at appropriate times may in fact make it better. If homeowners responded to utility alerts of high demand and opted to disconnect from the grid during those times while still having power, that would just make grid operators and home owners happier.

residential distribution is already the problem!

Microgrids are the solution!

tho home batteries are largely elon propaganda…

While residential BESSs are largely Tesla based, they are absolutely key in the energy transition from fossil- to renewables-based power sources.

they only contribute to the above issue, not solve it.

How?

There are ways of addressing it, but they’re complicated and unglamorous.

Which ways?

Ok, here we go:

I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away

Throwing their vote away = not voting.

or refused to vote blue over genocide

Refusing to vote blue != not voting

Refusing to vote blue = vote red, green, PSL, RFK, literally anything else

Are we arriving at the issue at hand finally?

Your reading comprehension needs work.

Annnd classic troll move by resorting to insults instead of facts and claims at hand. How big of a waste of time you’ve been

Edit:

Unless you mean that both people that didn’t vote nor voted blue are disgusting to you, in which case whatever. Personal sentiments can’t fix hard facts. The more liberals like you cope, the more you’ll lose elections.

You just said:

I said that I’m disgusted by people who sat out.

Your original post which I commented on said this:

Yes, and I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away or refused to vote blue over genocide

Which is it?

The Uncommitted Movement was ~700k strong. Even if we assume the entire voting block didn’t cast ballots in 2024, meaning I don’t count them in the Green Party/PSL group, the impact of that would still only be less than 1 mn, which RFK and Libertarians similarly drew for their causes. It’s a rounding error whether or not they contributed to the outcome or not.

The real problem is why more people either 1) changed parties or 2) didn’t vote in 2024 when they did in 2020. Perhaps COVID had an effect in 2020, perhaps tightened voting laws had an effect in 2024, perhaps Democrats have now become Republican-lite, perhaps shit just sucks and there’s no time when people need to work.

It is a politician’s job to think about these things and determine a strategy best suited to acquiring power. If politicians don’t do that, they lose races.

or refused to vote blue over genocide

In 2024, 155mn people voted, while 88mn didn’t out of the entire 243 mn eligible voting population.

Of that, 77 mn voted R, 75 mn voted D, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.

In 2020, 158 mn people voted, while 79 mn didn’t out of the entire 238 mn eligible voting population.

Of that, 81 mn voted D, 74 mn voted R, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.

Your claim is that the Uncommitted Movement had an impact in 2024 on the outcome of the election.

Wikipedia says that the movement got 700k votes. If we look to Ballotpedia, the Green Party received ~860k while the PSL received ~165k, meaning we can pretty much say those two parties captured the Uncommitted Movement’s voting block. That’s a total ~1 mn voters.

But JFK received ~760k votes in 2024 because he didn’t file to leave the election before endorsing Trump. And the Libertarians which I doubt have any affiliation with the Uncommitted Movement received ~650k. That’s a total ~1.4 mn voters.

The 3rd party vote didn’t make or break this election. You can see that in how many people voted 3rd party in 2024 compared to 2020 despite the voting population increasing.

No, I reject your claim. The Democrats lost 6 mn voters in 2024, and failed to capture the eligible voting population. This wasn’t the fault of people who give a shit about genocide.

Keep telling yourself that though while the Do Nothing Democrats roll over at every chance they get to aid and abet our fascist regime.

There’s also rentry.co/megathread

How is it dubious

most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.

Why are you talking about tattoos here?

The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.

You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.

You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.

Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.

Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.

Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.

People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.

I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.

Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.

I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.

TIL

Thanks for compiling this so I can reference it later if Firefox ever becomes an issue

Both sides are bad. And by that I mean Democrats never represent the Left while routinely allowing the Right to exert their selfishness and greed. They are controlled opposition to frame American politics as a binary, when in reality an entire half of the political spectrum could be represented to widespread approval

If it’s a straight line from Nixon to Trump as you say, then why claim Republicans are environmentalists with Nixon as your example?

He said straight line THROUGH Nixon and Trump, not straight line TO Nixon and Trump.

The former implies distinct and self-evident political differences, whereas the latter implies political evolution from one into the other where both politicians have a common set of political similarities.

I can’t help but think at this point that we’re reaching comprehension issues…

You say “it’s too long ago when Republicans were different” isn’t a valid argument.

He didn’t say that. You did.

He pointed out your hypocrisy when you said that stating the fact that Nixon created the EPA must mean he’s a Republican (and a MAGAt one at that), but then turned heel and said that any politicians from 50 years ago don’t matter (likely because the political landscape then is not the same as the political landscape now, which is reasonably true - he makes this same point by saying 1860 Republicans are not the same as 1960 Republicans or 2025 Republicans).

You stated he’s a Republican, then dissolved your own claim by saying support for past Republicans doesn’t matter. You’ve closed your own logic loop.