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  • Eh the smaller parties didn’t resonate with people so much this time around and we were closer to a 2-party state in the past. I mean we had the unionist party supplant the conservatives and liberals during ww1.

    I mean, a World War and the resulting turmoil probably would be enough to dislodge the conservatives today. Thats exactly the sort of “MUCH worse” I was talking about.

    Being negative is cheap and doesn’t inspire anyone. That’s what the powerful few want. I want to hear solutions not complaining.

    No, but neither does lying. Saying “Just support the small parties more” isn’t a realistic fix in our current system, nor does any other, “sit at home and hope things improve strategy.” Large scale organization is needed, and letting people think it’ll get better with their inaction only helps the established parties too.

    The only way it’ll get better is if people get angry and force the government to listen - look at any rights movement ever. Lying to people won’t get them off their asses. What might, is the realization that things will keep getting worse unless they actually step-up and start organizing.


  • You’re missing my point. Under FPTP, small parties are rapidly shrinking and losing power. Outside the two party system, only 30 seats are held currently (down from 59), and this will continue to shrink.

    The only directly political way this will change is if BQ and NDP form an alliance to force election reform through. How likely do you really think that is, given their lack of action in the past?

    Indirectly, you need en-masse, organized voting for small parties and or a massive, enconomy threatening strike. Neither is going to happen unless things get MUCH worse.


  • My point is that neither of these methods work, because they require simultaneous support from large portions of the country. Canada is too complacent for that.

    Even when it came to trying to prevent a Trump brown-noser from become Prime-Minister by putting an X on a peice of paper, we couldn’t get 70% participation. Do you really think we can get even 10% of people to strike? Or like 50% of people to vote for small parties simultaneously?

    Thats obviously not to say it isn’t worth trying, but its absurd to expect results at this point. No one cares enough to force change.


  • You do realize the block lost a third of their seats? The whole problem with the current system is that unless you can get the entirely country to simultaneously change who they back, you just further entrench whichever party is worse. Your solution boils down to, “Get people to support smaller parties instead.” That doesn’t work in a two party system, as evidenced by the current condition of our voting system, and by every other FPTP country out there.

    The only way the current system changes is an organized, country-wide show of resistance that actually hurts the rich and powerful. This probably means a general strike. Unfortunately, people aren’t going to be willing to rock the boat until things start to get unlivable, and by that point extremists and grifters will be firmly entrenched and will seize power instead.




  • Plenty of people get joy or even sexual pleasure from watching others suffer or die. Its not common, but even one person who acts on this can cause huge amounts of harm to dozens or hundreds of others. A lot of the most fucked up crimes are the result of this sort of thing. Unfortunately, these are also exactly the sort of people badly regulated police and military also select for (IE police in the US, the military in most developing nations)







  • Also while there’s a modest amount of people here (I’d reserve small for under a thousand online, personally)

    Honestly, I’d be curious how many active users we actually have. I wouldn’t be suprised if it was fewer than 1000 who contibute (including just voting) when excluding the authoritarian instances and spam.

    Do any instances publish these stats?