Especially in the barley legal genre. What are your thoughts on older men using that kind of porn?

  • Tweeticoats@lemmynsfw.com
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    6 days ago

    Generally porn is a job just like any other. It is made up of humans so not everyone is going to be thair best selves all the time but most are. What you see is made up and edited. What you don’t normally see is the director and the performers going through a plan on what they are going to do before they do it but this can depend on the studio. Some studios have a shot by shot set of sex positions and a plan for the scene while others they may just start rolling and see where things go.

    What stops things is the law and people taking. You probably don’t want to know the details but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn where there are people in jail for a long time for sex trafficking, fraud and coercion.

    There are also a few other cases where people talk out in public against a performer or a director and they will have a hard time getting work in the future. An examples of this are Jimmy lifestyles who was the director for wankzvr a few years ago. Alex coal made an allegation of something happening after the shoot and he is no longer working for the company and the company employs someone on set to make sure that everyone is acting up to standard.

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      4 days ago

      It’s not surprising to me that she was one to cause a stink. I’m glad she did.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
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    8 days ago

    It can be, yeah.

    Ex porn performers tend to report a lot of exploitation in their working lives. Since many of them are exposed to abuse on the job, and there’s a built in culture of addiction increasing activities, it amplifies abuse and exploitation.

    That being said, professional porn is voluntary. So there’s an upper limit to how exploitative it can be. But that upper limit is very disturbing. Enough so that finding any professional porn that isn’t exploitative is difficult, and even the companies that do fairly ethical porn aren’t perfect.

    But, any idiot can make porn, and very often that’s the easiest to find. With that kind of thing, there’s not even the usual word of mouth to avoid the bad makers because they’re looking for desperate performers they can use quick and make whatever small profit they can. I’m not talking about people filming their own sex, it’s an individual or small group recruiting local people for it, with false promises, and not even following up on those promises.

    Like that one group that would recruit women, typically 21 and under, promising that the videos would only be distributed overseas, with their plan being to distribute everywhere. Outright lying. Can’t remember the name of their “company”, but it was in the news a few years ago.

    It’s gotten to the point that if you worry about the porn being ethically made, you have to do research, and most people don’t do that, and won’t. They’ll either ignore the problems, or just stop using porn. The vast majority will just ignore the problems. Which is fine, it is legal and voluntary, so there’s no obligation to do anything other than avoiding CP and real rape stuff. Nobody has to care about anything beyond that, it’s a personal choice.

    And that applies to the specific segments you asked about. Barely legal is still legal, and it an adult, no matter how short a time they’ve been one, wants to make porn, that’s their right. And it is a right as it falls under body autonomy. Other aspects of porn aren’t a right, but to make one, yeah, it is; it’s when you start distributing it or sharing it, or selling it that it crosses from right into something able to be regulated.

    Which, by extension, it doesn’t matter who watches what.

    For one thing, if we’re going to be aroused by other people having sex, it’s supposed to be other adults. There’s no functional difference when the performer is 23 or 18. They’re an adult, they get the choice to perform or not. And, it is directly normal to be aroused by the bodies of people that have achieved adult development. It may or may not be socially acceptable to do something about that arousal, but that’s a separate issue from our bodies and brains being “coded” to respond to sexually mature bodies.

    There’s no magic aura around people that says what age they are, and if they’re not within a specific adult age range, our bodies and brains ignore them. The performers made a choice to make their bodies and performances available for the purposes of arousal, so there’s no dilemma based on the age of the audience or performers. That’s what it’s for. We’re all free to choose what kind of porn we consume, or to not consume.

    Also, it isn’t just older men. Some of us old fucks don’t use porn, and plenty of women of all ages do enjoy porn with younger performers. Yeah, it’s a huge difference in numbers, but the gender of the viewer is irrelevant to the ethics of porn.

    Seriously, the idea that age is supposed to be some kind of automatic barrier to what you’re aroused by is just dumb. We’re riding around these meat machines, and they’re built to respond to certain cues. Among those cues are the signs of probable fertility. This means that the majority of the human race is going to be aroused primarily to other humans from the late teens to the late thirties/early to mid forties This is separate from any social limits around what we can do about that arousal.

    That, btw isn’t to say that anyone with gerontophilia is somehow bad. Ain’t nothing that says you have to limit yourself upwards in age.

    So, I have zero issue with anyone enjoying any legal pornography. I don’t even object to other people not caring about the ethics of the porn they use, as long as it isn’t kids or an act of rape on film. And I mean a real rape, not a performance of rape with performers consenting to the act for the purposes of filming.

    Shit, when it comes to porn, as long as the performers are of a reasonable legal age, idgaf if they look adult or not. Just because it’s a turn off for me doesn’t mean those performers that are visually underdeveloped for their age shouldn’t have the same freedoms as anyone else. I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t keep a damn close eye on someone that was specifically looking for only that branch of porn, but as long as the performers are at least 18, they can, and should be able to, choose their form of employment no matter what their body looks like.

    But, being real, I have developed a bit of a personal block about porn. I just don’t like the ethics of the industry, even the good companies that go the extra mile to ensure performers are treated well. I had known about those ethical issues long before it started to bother me, but since they were all consenting adults, that was enough for me to make use of it on occasion. But somewhere in my late thirties, it started being something I had trouble ignoring.

    Then, the “fappening” happened and it really pissed me off. It made all the problems I have with porn impossible to ignore, to the point that even if I know the people on screen were in total control of everything, there’s that nagging voice I’m my head saying “yeah, but”. And that “but” is that the industry as whole is broken ethically. That voice is loud enough that porn stopped being arousing to me, damn near entirely, with the exception being when it’s people I know that are sharing it with me directly (or did so) because they enjoy doing so as a source of fun for themselves. Which is more common than you’d think.

    But, again, that’s me. What other people do and enjoy is none of my damn business, so long as the basic criteria of a reasonable age of consent is present, and the acts on screen are consented to.

    • RepressedLemmier@lemmynsfw.com
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      5 days ago

      I mean, doing stuff for people on here is a nightmare all of it’s own. First erp I ever did, I was extremely paranoid, and that didn’t change much.

      It’s a lot easier to break ethics screwing around with people, than it is watching porn. So you always need at least some prep, and a quiet environment.

    • FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com
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      7 days ago

      Very well said

      I will add to my comment though, in that many women are promised the “professional” dream, but are used, abused and tossed aside. This happens to guys too, but the numbers are overwhelming when it comes to the abuse of women

      Shit’s fucked

  • Björn Tantau@swg-empire.de
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    8 days ago

    In general: No

    In many specific instances: Yes

    Especially stuff like Only Fans that suggests to impressionable women that they can get rich doing it. In the end it only makes Only Fans rich.

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      7 days ago

      Especially stuff like Only Fans that suggests to impressionable women that they can get rich doing it. In the end it only makes Only Fans rich.

      I agree with your overall sentiment, but singling out OnlyFans, the comparative “farm to table” of the porn world as the “especially” and not the deeply-entrenched traditional porn industry which is famous for exploitation problems, feels very weird to me.

      Yes there are tons of problematic people and agencies involved in the OnlyFans sphere, but it’s also one of the best avenues for somebody who want to engage in pornographic sex work to be able to do so with greater autonomy and control.

      Feels like a weird target for the ire to me, tbh.

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        7 days ago

        I feel like OnlyFans has a greater reach. Of course, like you said that makes its positive influence also greater.

        All in all I guess I singled it out because I know a little bit more about it than the traditional industry.

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    7 days ago

    Most of it is, unfortunately

    There are true amateurs and enthusiasts like myself and my fiancée out there who just get a kick out of making people happy and having fun, but most people are trying to make a buck

    For every success story, there are thousands of people, mostly women, who are taken advantage of and tossed aside

    I try to find the most ethical porn possible. Creators like myself, or production companies who work to a particular ethos

    It’s always tricky. As someone else said, there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism. It’s about trying to do the least amount of harm sometimes

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      7 days ago

      You say mostly women but the level of depravity and exploitation of young impressionable men in gay porn is another level.

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        Oh, absolutely!

        But society treats women and men differently

        What a woman does to survive and is pilloried for will be celebrated when a guy does it

        I have bitter, personal experience in this

        I think it’s fair to say that porn is almost always exploitative, regardless of who is on camera

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    7 days ago

    Almost, at least for the same sex porn, some of them are questionably adult, they look more like 12-17yos with 30-40somethings and alot of them are incest-type category